We apologize but we did not get a message requesting for any appointment from you. The only “text” we received from you was “Aloha from Maui remember me?” and  your selfie photo. We deal with a lot of professional clients on a daily basis who don’t play guessing games with us. But all in respect thank you for your review and sorry we missed you.  Have nice day! Read more

Massage of Chinese Medicine is known as An Mo (按摩, pressing and rubbing) or Qigong Massage, and is the foundation of Japan's Anma. Categories include Pu Tong An Mo (general massage), Tui Na An Mo (pushing and grasping massage), Dian Xue An Mo (cavity pressing massage), and Qi An Mo (energy massage). Tui na (推拿) focuses on pushing, stretching, and kneading muscles, and Zhi Ya (指壓) focuses on pinching and pressing at acupressure points. Technique such as friction and vibration are used as well.[69]
While on vacation in Las Vegas, my upper back, shoulders, and neck were starting to get tired/tight from me lugging around my camera gear (DSLR camera, battery grip/pack, & speedlight flash) around my neck for 4 days at roughly 4 hours each day. My legs and feet were also tired from all the walking, standing, and running on the Strip. I was looking for a massage and the place that I was staying at offered massages but I found the prices to be too expensive.
10/4/2018 We are very sorry that you had a bad massage experience. And very much thank you for the review, so… We are very sorry that you had a bad massage experience. And very much thank you for the review, so we are able to approve our spa through this issue. So we would like to ask your help a little bit, we hope you could describe about the therapist who gave you a service, either her name or feature,  also the date and time that you visited our place, and please provide your name of booking. So that we could do an investigation and we would get back to you later on. Thank you for your patience.

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This is a wonderful extensive Thai Yoga Massage reference. The steps are clearly explain; sometime multiple version are offered. Pratical , methodical and time proven technique from the Northern Style Massage based on the founder of The Old Medicine Hospital in Chiang Mai the major city in Northern Thailand. Definitelyone of those references book that you come back to over and over and find a new depth of information's.

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First time at this spa for me, after reading reviews I realized that language might be a problem. I went in to get a deep tissue massage and had problems with arthritis in my shoulder, summer worked extra on my shoulder and the massage was wonderful I read cupping was included in the massage and it was not , but that would have taken time from my massage so no problem.  Not what I consider a spa but a great massage, very authentic Chinese massage
In both Eastern and Western healing systems, the concept of maintaining balance or equilibrium is considered crucial to good health. 'Sen' are considered passages for energy, and correspond with blood vessels in the body. Traditional Thai healing practices suggest that when the 'Sen' become blocked, energy grows stagnant and the body loses its balance, leading to a range of ailments. Thai massage acts as an external stimulant to produce specific internal effects within the body, both freeing energy from obstruction and preserving health and harmony.
Structural Integration's aim is to unwind the strain patterns residing in the body's myofascial system, restoring it to its natural balance, alignment, length, and ease. This is accomplished by deep, slow, fascial and myofascial manipulation, coupled with movement re-education. Various brands of Structural Integration are Rolfing, Hellerwork, Guild for Structural Integration, Aston Patterning,[8] Soma,[60] and Kinesis Myofascial Integration.[61]

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Noticed this place while driving by, we stopped by for a much needed massage! Julie was my massage therapist. She was wonderful. I had a bunch of knots and she was strong enough to kick my knots butts! I rather enjoy the pain bc I know that afterwards I'll be in less pain! Will come back. The price was good in comparison to other places and I will definitely be back as she recommended I come more often bc the knots are rather large bc of my extensive workouts.
Because Thai massage is more rigorous than other forms of massage, it is more invigorating. The benefit of this is that you will walk away from your massage session feeling more energized. This is also a side-effect of relieving stress and increased circulation, but increased energy can also help you in other areas of your life, such as getting through slow afternoons at work.

Very rude. Customer service is non existent. They do not listen to what your needs are. The Prices change on a whim. Massages are cut short of full time. You can hear people in the lobby while in the massage room. This is not your typical relaxing massage therapy. The massage itself was nice and firm and cupping was done properly, but it isn't worth the highest prices in the area when they end early, treat you with a lack of respect, even yelling at you and other customers, and the yelling continues as you go into the massage room as the front desk answers phones because there is no music or sound proofing or attempt to speak to people at a reasonable volume. The woman at the front desk seems so aggravated and irritated that you are even there.
In ashiatsu, the practitioner uses their feet to deliver treatment. The name comes from the Japanese, ashi for foot and atsu for pressure.[32] This technique typically uses the heel, sesamoid, arch and/or whole plantar surface of foot, and offers large compression, tension and shear forces with less pressure than an elbow, and is ideal for large muscles, such as in thigh, or for long-duration upper trapezius compressions.[33] Other manual therapy techniques using the feet to provide treatment include Keralite, Barefoot Lomi Lomi, Chavutti Thirumal.
I have been happy with this place, but it seems I no longer get Summer anymore....even though I make… I have been happy with this place, but it seems I no longer get Summer anymore....even though I make appt. Lilly is great too and does  a very good knee in the hamstring massage, but I havent seen Summer since before New Years....very sad :( Read more
Thai Massage is a popular massage therapy that is used for management of conditions such as musculoskeletal pain and fatigue. Thai Massage involves a number of stretching movements that improve body flexibility, joint movement and also improve blood circulation throughout the body. In one study scientists found that Thai Massage showed comparable efficacy as the painkiller ibuprofen in reduction of joint pain caused by osteoarthritis (OA) of the knee.[68]
The use of seven essential oils placed along the spine and massaged into the body with featherlight movements. Raindrop has helped bring relief to chronic pain sufferers. It’s called “Raindrop” therapy due to the feeling of essential oils gently dripping along your back. The specific blend of essential oils is intended to relax sore or achy muscles, reduce pain and inflammation, improve circulation and immune functions, and cleanse the body’s systems. A specific blend of oils is utilized in raindrop therapy, so speak to your therapist about any sensitivities you might have.
The mood was set romanticly for Mary's birthday. The spa room is decorated with heart petals on the bed. You can actually call ahead of time for any occasion and they will accommodate the occasion by decorating the room for you (extra charge). With the room decorated and the view of the city, it's a great combination! The awe-inspiring view as the sun cascaded down downtown Honolulu put our mind at ease immediately.
A little strange, I've had massages elsewhere and this one has to be the worst, dare I say. Don't get me wrong I'm sure the ladies who work there work hard but they were a little pushy for my liking. We were told to take off our shoes ready for our foot wash in warm soapy water in a sink tub. (Which I'm pretty sure used washing up liquid not body soap as I could smell it)
Thai traditional massage is a widely used massage technique in Thailand and is presently accepted by local Thai Ministry of Public Health. The technique is promoted but not well accepted internationally. There is a concern about the effectiveness as well as safety of this local wisdom. After a recent episode of concurrent acute heart attack and Thai traditional massage in a patient, the issue of possible adverse effects of Thai traditional massage is being widely discussed.
I'm not an expert in massages, but I can tell you the 60 minute deep tissue massage did wonders for my back and leg muscles and the whole experience was very relaxing. A nice break from the stress of traveling. Setting up the appointment through Yelp was very easy to do. They will send you directions because it is not easy to find from street level (business is on the fourth floor). The elevator on the left only goes up one floor. If you take the Tokyo subway to Roppongi station as I did and go up any random exit, it may be hard to find. Recommend following the directions they provide and exit the station using the closest exit.

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It's been about a week since I went. I was definitely pleased with my massage. I have gone to a place in mililani but My husbands client recommended I go here so I said "hey why not it's another massage therapist recommending me go there" so I did. It was the best he ever. I dozed off here and there. Wasn't to rough on me. I'm super sensitive to people rubbing my knots. They usually are painful but not here. I'll definitely be going back in a few weeks. The staff was super nice. I enjoyed my ginger honey tea after my massage as well. Much mahalos ladies.
One of the greatest Persian medics was Avicenna, also known as Ibn Sina, who lived from 980AD to 1037AD. His works included a comprehensive collection and systematisation of the fragmentary and unorganised Greco-Roman medical literature that had been translated Arabic by that time, augmented by notes from his own experiences. One of his books, Al-Qānūn fī aṭ-Ṭibb (The Canon of Medicine) has been called the most famous single book in the history of medicine in both East and West. Avicenna excelled in the logical assessment of conditions and comparison of symptoms and took special note of analgesics and their proper use as well as other methods of relieving pain, including massage.
Our work is not an easy one but rewarding if we succeed in making our clients not just much better but decisively more happier. We pay attention to our clients if they let us do our craft, as you did, then we get these results if we do what we do best and that is our ancient ways to do the Tui-Na massage as it should be applied, but so many do not do.
And in fact at first glance from outside you would not think this was a good place in fact I used to live walking distance from there and hadn't been for years finally a friend told me about them so I gave them a try first off with Crystal she is a very good massage unfortunately she no longer works at this location so then I went to you having massages with Sonya very strong which is what I used to like now days April is my therapist she does just the right pressure for me.
Our Chinese Massage techniques are a uniquely based on the theory of Chinese Traditional Medicine (CTM) and are developed specifically to provide relaxation through our Chinese "Tui Na, Deep Muscle Therapy, Head Massage, and Reflexology methods we offer. These treatments have not just a physical effect, but an emotional, as well as our clients, tell us about their experiences with our massages.

Excellent Book for the English readers to understand Thai Massage. It covers the background, relationships with Indian and Chinese system and the way Thais have adapted improved and added their indigenous system to make that into a complete system. The book also covers the spiritual nature of Thai massage, especially its relationship with Yoga . A step by step essential guide to Thai Massage practitioners that will help them to complete their practical training.
Judy is my favorite masseuse. She is very good at calibrating pressure based on what you ask for. Her technique is terrific. She is also very sweet and cares about her customers. I have a few massage places walking distance from where I live but I still come here once a week. Siam's location is in mid-Market; not the best location and parking can be a challenging (best to use Uber or Lyft). But inside the environment is very serene with wood interior and the sound of water flowing. They have a large number of masseuses here at any given time- I believe ~8 so they often have availability, provided you schedule. Cost is $90 for a 1 hour swedish oil massage, and $5 discount if you pay by cash. Some of the masseuses have their own unique hours; for example Judy often starts at 2 PM on. You can also request a massage table if you prefer (which is elevated and I find allows for better breathing), versus the ground mat that is common in thai massage. Siam also has a steam room which is extra and showers. One of the reasons I like Siam and Judy in particular is she learns really well what works for your body. She will find tension in my shoulder and work on it without my saying anything. Also I found some Thai massages use significant pressure as a baseline and don't always deviate from it. Here, you can get a strong or a gentle massage depending on your preference. The front-desk is friendly and helpful. My advice is schedule a day or two in advance if you want to book for Friday or Saturday as the schedule gets full quickly. There are $40 foot massages in San Francisco and I do find some of those convenient. But one difference is in how you feel after and for that reason, I often come here.
Hours later I'm ready for my relaxing massage and a few minutes in I realize thai massages are NOT my usual relaxing massage. The masseuse is literally kneeling on my back getting every single knot (and I have a lot of them!) out while I say "ouch" about every 3 seconds. She continues to tell me "relax" throughout the massage and I continue to respond with "ouch."
Ive had massages all over the country from Hawaii and Cali to New York and Jersey as well as Philippines and Guam ... Anna, Noi and Choi from Thai Spa 2 are hands down the best thai masseuse's I've ever experienced. I prefer deep, strong massages ... and the strength of any of these 3 can make u cringe, but i love it! Once you try thai, u'll forget about any other types of massages!
The "Chinese Traditional Massages" was established in 2015, with over 10 years of extensive experiences and came out of a need to specialize these Chinese Tui-Na and the Zhi Ya Massage Therapy methods for customers which have issues with their bodies and seek an alternative pain management and gain comfort, healing, pleasure. In order to really see the difference in this field is to compare and try us out.
Aisawan Thai Spa & Massage is a luxury day spa in Honolulu that offers both innovative and relaxing spa treatments. Ditch your foam roller and head on over to this spa for a professional and relaxing massage treatment. Need to schedule an appointment? Call this spa today and book your next beauty treatment. You can get the whole shebang for the same price as other spas. Save the cash for another day and pay by major credit card at Aisawan Thai Spa & Massage. For low-cost parking, have the spa validate your ticket. For those who travel by bike, this spa offers bike racks for customers. Ready for the royal treatment? Plan your experience at Aisawan Thai Spa & Massage.
I was excited to see Thai Massage has made it to PCB. I was also excited to discover what a gem this place is. After inquiring of my problem areas, Serie suggested I select Thai / Deep Tissue combo. Without a doubt, it was one of the most professional, healing massages I have experienced. Serie is most gracious and knowledgeable and obviously loves her profession. If you are looking for a healing, therapeutic and relaxing massage, you MUST call Serie. As a finishing touch, she will serve you a most delicious, personally steeped cup of lemongrass tea to compliment the massage. Oh, and those wonderful warm towels!!! Don't pass this place up!! Your mind and body will thank you!
It's been about a week since I went. I was definitely pleased with my massage. I have gone to a place in mililani but My husbands client recommended I go here so I said "hey why not it's another massage therapist recommending me go there" so I did. It was the best he ever. I dozed off here and there. Wasn't to rough on me. I'm super sensitive to people rubbing my knots. They usually are painful but not here. I'll definitely be going back in a few weeks. The staff was super nice. I enjoyed my ginger honey tea after my massage as well. Much mahalos ladies. Recommendation for first timers- make sure after a massage you drink plenty of water. Massages are like work outs. Stay hydrated.

In New Zealand, massage is unregulated. There are two levels of registration with Massage New Zealand, the professional body for massage therapists within New Zealand, although neither of these levels are government recognised. Registration at the Certified Massage Therapist level denotes competency in the practice of relaxation massage. Registration at the Remedial massage therapist denotes competency in the practice of remedial or orthopedic massage. Both levels of registration are defined by agreed minimum competencies and minimum hours.[104]
I picked this place to treat my best friend to a massage for both of us on her birthday due to the 5 stars review. The good news is that my friend had a blissful experience and really enjoyed her massage, which was the most important part of the experience, especially since this was for her birthday. However, since I am the one writing this review, I will write out my experience. I really wish I could give this place 5 stars. I really do. I came in with high expectations when I booked a reservation for both of us on a Monday after work. This is a beautiful space, and it feels like we've been transported to a calm, zen space that you would have never expected in the busy and dingy streets of the Civic Center area of San Francisco. We were taken to a room for our massage. We both had the same service, the Siam Orchid Retreat Massage. I consider myself able to withstand pretty hard massages, but I found my experience kind of painful. I hadn't expected my masseuse to use her whole weight on me, walk on me, etc. And when I made a pained noise, she kind of gave me an attitude saying, "Well, you said you wanted hard!" I'm sure it's probably a language barrier, and the masseuse who was working on my friend seemed a bit apologetic and tried to help her with the scenario, but it sure didn't make me feel any less crappy. In the end, I didn't feel any more relaxed than I did when I stepped in for our appointment. I seriously paid nearly $100 per person for this??? I've felt wayyy more blissed out after rigorous sessions of cardio and weight lifting and strength training at the gym than here. I don't think I'll be coming back, unfortunately. But I'm sure they don't need my business, they have plenty of other 5 star reviews from other reviewers here.

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We are a brand new business in the heart of San Francisco at 39 Polk Street (the corner of Market and Polk) San Francisco California 94102.  All of our masseuses are licensed and insured and experienced in the ancient art of traditional Thai Massage.  We offer spacious and luxurious private rooms.  There is also a steam room and shower available.  Siam Orchid is beautifully decorated in all wood (the traditional Thai Style) and appointed with a state of the art sound system.  We look forward to seeing you.
One of the greatest Persian medics was Avicenna, also known as Ibn Sina, who lived from 980AD to 1037AD. His works included a comprehensive collection and systematisation of the fragmentary and unorganised Greco-Roman medical literature that had been translated Arabic by that time, augmented by notes from his own experiences. One of his books, Al-Qānūn fī aṭ-Ṭibb (The Canon of Medicine) has been called the most famous single book in the history of medicine in both East and West. Avicenna excelled in the logical assessment of conditions and comparison of symptoms and took special note of analgesics and their proper use as well as other methods of relieving pain, including massage.
This is a wonderful extensive Thai Yoga Massage reference. The steps are clearly explain; sometime multiple version are offered. Pratical , methodical and time proven technique from the Northern Style Massage based on the founder of The Old Medicine Hospital in Chiang Mai the major city in Northern Thailand. Definitelyone of those references book that you come back to over and over and find a new depth of information's.
Jump up ^ Miller BF, Hamilton KL, Majeed ZR, Abshire SM, Confides AL, Hayek AM, Hunt ER, Shipman P, Peelor FF, Butterfield TA, Dupont-Versteegden EE (January 2018). "Enhanced skeletal muscle regrowth and remodelling in massaged and contralateral non-massaged hindlimb". The Journal of Physiology. 596 (1): 83–103. doi:10.1113/JP275089. PMC 5746529. PMID 29090454.
As the name suggests, deep tissue massage applies deep pressure onto specific trouble points. It feels very much like someone is torturing you on purpose by pushing into your knotted muscle, and the massage can leave you feeling sore. It's not just more pressure all over your body, however (which would be true torture), it's very specific, methodical treatment. As Moyer Wellness explains:

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Thai Spa on Sahara is open from 11am to 11pm...as if they understand the life style of those of us in Las Vegas. I must have been here 30 times in the last 2 years, so you could say that I have enjoyed the massages at Thai Spa...it's simple, just get into the room, get on the table, and get worked on. Most of the time, I call for a reservation to see my favorite therapist and reserve my time. They are easily my favorite Thai massage place in Vegas...and they must be popular since they just opened a third location on Charleston. This also means there are now two locations that I can go to see my favorite therapist. I normally get 60 min for $65, but when you get couples, you save $5 each...need deep work? Relaxation? Or Stretch? All the therapists at Thai Spa will provide you with the same price...ask for the stamp card to accumulate 10 and get next one for free. I was told that you can get all the locations in one card. There is no shower or fancy changing room...just you, therapist, and table.

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In New Zealand, massage is unregulated. There are two levels of registration with Massage New Zealand, the professional body for massage therapists within New Zealand, although neither of these levels are government recognised. Registration at the Certified Massage Therapist level denotes competency in the practice of relaxation massage. Registration at the Remedial massage therapist denotes competency in the practice of remedial or orthopedic massage. Both levels of registration are defined by agreed minimum competencies and minimum hours.[104]

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Traditional Thai massage rarely uses oils or lotions, and the recipient remains clothed during a treatment. There is constant body contact between the practitioner and client, but rather than rubbing on muscles, the body is compressed, pulled, stretched and rocked in order to clear energy blockages and relieve tension. The practitioner uses thumbs, palms, forearms, elbows, knees and feet to create a dance of movement on the body of the recipient. In this process, joints are opened, muscles and tendons are stretched, internal organs are toned, and energy is balanced. The overall effect is one of deep relaxation, rejuvenation, and physical and mental well being.
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Deep tissue and trigger point massages are very similar. The difference is that deep tissue massage uses various traditional massage techniques to work the tissue, whereas trigger point massage is literally looking to manipulate or press on that one point that relieves tension in an entire area (perhaps not even nearby). For both, consider this contraption, which is an invaluable tool for torturing soothing sore muscles all over your body. This is a great guide on doing trigger point therapy for yourself.
I’m on a padded floor mat wearing loose pants and a T-shirt (standard Thai-massage garb) while Pailin Winotaka uses her fingers, palms, elbows, knees, feet, indeed her whole body as ballast, slowly getting me into such familiar yoga positions as “bridge” (a backward arch) and “bow” (on my stomach, reaching back to grab her wrists rather than my own ankles for a deeper stretch). I actually feel taller when she’s done.

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9/9/2018 Thank you for your feedback. We are very sorry to hear that you feel that the massage made your neck… Thank you for your feedback. We are very sorry to hear that you feel that the massage made your neck stiff. It's uncommon for the body to react in this way after an aroma therapy massage. As we discussed before perhaps it was other contributing factors that caused your stiff neck. Read more
In regulated provinces massage therapists are known as Registered Massage Therapists, in Canada only four provinces regulate massage therapy:[95] British Columbia, Ontario, Newfoundland and Labrador, and New Brunswick.[96] Regulated provinces have, since 2012, established inter-jurisdiction competency standards.[97][95] Quebec is not provincially regulated. Massage therapists may obtain a certification with one of various associations operating. There is the Professional Association of Specialized Massage Therapists of Quebec, also named Mon Réseau Plus, which represents 6,300 massage therapists (including orthotherapists, naturotherapists and others), the Quebec Federation of massage therapists (FMQ), and the Association québécoise des thérapeutes naturels; however, none of these are regulated by provincial law.
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After walking for hours and visiting the various sites and not to mention the long flight, I decided to find a great massage place. I requested an appointment through yelp and received a response very quickly. Although it was difficult to locate (go up the stairs and take the elevators on the side of the video gaming place), all the stress and tension went away after the massage. She did a great job focusing on my problem areas and I walked away from there feeling relaxed. They offer combination packages that are worth it so be sure to check out their website.
Ive had massages all over the country from Hawaii and Cali to New York and Jersey as well as Philippines and Guam ... Anna, Noi and Choi from Thai Spa 2 are hands down the best thai masseuse's I've ever experienced. I prefer deep, strong massages ... and the strength of any of these 3 can make u cringe, but i love it! Once you try thai, u'll forget about any other types of massages!
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    So if you read my previous reviews, you will see that I use to only see Summer....she answers the phone so its easy to ask her direct for an appt with her.....A month ago, Summer was gone for 2 weeks for Chinese New Year. Lily was still there so I ended up seeing her twice...and enjoyed it. When Summer got back, and to this day, I have yet to see her again for an appt. It almost seems like shes avoiding me....which might be okay, except after I had what can only be described as the WORST appt I have had...by far....given by Lily.


A Thai massage is an ancient form of healing that combines the concepts of yoga and energetic Chinese practices. About 2,500 years ago, Buddhism spread from India to Thailand. Along with this increasingly popular spiritual practice came a form of healing that had taken root in the community of Buddhists. When these new ideas reached the shores of Thailand, they mixed with the Chinese concept of the energetic body that was already being practiced.  

In response to the business owner, I mentioned this on my call to her but there was no other strenuous or unusual movement of my neck during this period. I've also had to visit a chiropractor three times since coming back to the US due to the extreme pain, and he also affirmed that bad technique during the massage must be the reason (based on my alignment). Very poor experience, and I really wish Erawan would rethink their refund policy for situations like these, as this has become a very expensive massage due to the additional chiropractor expenses accrued.

Me and the mrs go here every month! They massage you exactly how you want it and it feels so nice! They are really nice and sweet but service can be a bit professional. They speak in their own language with each other when they are massaging which does feel awkward not knowing what they are talking about. Other than that its a good place and its value for money as they do a great job...

Traditional Thai massage is an ancient healing system that combines broad and targeted acupressure, stimulation and manipulation of energy lines called sen, and assisted yoga postures. Treatment effects are enhanced when the patient is fully relaxed and breathing deeply. This traditional healing practice, called nuad or nuad boran in the Thai language, stands in sharp contrast to western massage therapies.
In Myanmar, massage is unregulated.[100] However, it is necessary to apply for a spa license with the government to operate a massage parlour in major cities such as Yangon. Blind and visually impaired people can become masseurs, but they are not issued licenses. There are a few professional spa training schools in Myanmar but these training centers are not accredited by the government.[citation needed]
I absolutely love the massage at Balinese Traditional Massage. Berta is very intuitive and knows exa...ctly where the sore spots on my body are and loosens everything up. I thoroughly recommend Balinese Traditional Massage services to anyone wanting a pampering experience and remedial work on their body, thanks to Berta I'm a lot more agile and feel great. See More
And if you wonder how Thai massage might fit into your existing practice, Spivack has some encouraging words. “I would like to remind those who are considering Thai massage that it is very easy to incorporate into a conventional massage practice,” he explains. “It doesn’t have to replace your practice. It can enhance it. You can still do table massage—and all the techniques you’ve already learned —and incorporate some Thai massage easily without having to shelve all your other knowledge. It is very adaptable."
I'm glad we did. This was the best massage I've ever had. My husband said the same. They not only massaged but they also stretched out our achy muscles. I also had been dealing with a left shoulder pinched nerve for more than 6 months causing discomfort when I moved my shoulder a certain way. After the session, I no longer felt that discomfort. I'm not sure if this is temporary or she fixed it but I was so happy to be able to move my shoulder again without any limitations or discomfort.
After a quick foot soak and brush we were taken to our private room with 2 beds and asked to get ready. What an experience! For someone who's used to having the odd massage at a beauty salon or spa, Ive never really seen what the deal was, they never did anything for me and I just felt oily after. What a difference! This is the best Ive felt in a long time! Such a great massage, as I was feeling a bit tight, I asked not for a full body massage, but a focus on a back, neck and shoulders. Ive never felt pain like it, or heard as many clicks or crunches buy oh my was it worth it!

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