Teaches the fundamentals of Thai Massage Points and Lines for relief of more than 50 minor ailments, such as muscle sprains and pains, tennis elbow, stiffness of the neck, lower back pains, muscle cramps, muscle fatigue, muscle stiffness, muscular discomfort, and nervous tension.It also helps to make muscles, joints and tendons suppler.Thai Medical Massage is helpful in preventing the atrophy (wasting away) of muscles in paralyzed patients and elderly people who are unable to exercise.The first 4 days consists of the Theory of Anatomy and Physiology, Thai Massage Lines, and Thai Herbal Medicine.
My fiancee and I got a couple's massage this weekend, utilizing their fall special, and we had a great experience. We're first timers to spas in general, but we were met with a kind staff who gave us good direction and communicated well. The massage itself was great. Head to toe and definitely worked out all the kinks I had in my body. Both of us felt so relaxed after the 90 minutes were up. And they give you an option of a hot tea or water after the massage is complete. Overall experience was amazing. It was easy to schedule an appointment with them, and parking was simple ($2 for the duration of your appointment with Siam Thai Massage). We're going back at some point in the future for sure!

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The second reason it is not that commonly found is that it requires special training. Many American massage therapists are serious students who have traveled to Asia for intensive programs, but others might have to take a weekend workshop. You might want to inquire about their training before you sign up. If you live in a major city, you might be able to get a high quality, no-frills Thai massage for a reasonable price. 
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4. Make sounds. The intensity of a Vietnamese massage is partly due to the various groans and shouts that the masseuse makes while carrying out the techniques. There’s more power in a movement when you exhale and let your voice loose. When you make contact with the skin, release a grunt or a roar that signifies the effort you’re putting into the act. Each movement should be accompanied by its own sound. The combination of skin pounding and slapping with your vocal exhalations is what makes the experience exciting for your partner.
One of the most remarkable healing techniques on the planet. Works with the pulses of the energy pathways known as meridians in Chinese medicine. The term tui na (pronounced "twee naw"), which literally means "pinch and pull," refers to a wide range of Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) therapeutic massage and body work. People in the West may refer to Chinese massage as tui na.

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I'm not an expert in massages, but I can tell you the 60 minute deep tissue massage did wonders for my back and leg muscles and the whole experience was very relaxing.  A nice break from the stress of traveling.  Setting up the appointment through Yelp was very easy to do.  They will send you directions because it is not easy to find from street level (business is on the fourth floor).  The elevator on the left only goes up one floor.  If you take the Tokyo subway to Roppongi station as I did and go up any random exit, it may be hard to find.  Recommend following the directions they provide and exit the station using the closest exit.

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Absolutely amazing!! Definitely worth the short 15 min drive from the strip. Thank you Chanel! I've been to many different spas and walking into this spa I honestly didn't expect much. It's a small space, and from the looks of it they didn't have much room for things not spa related. The massage rooms take two people at a time and it was slightly colder than comfortable. However, once you lie down on the massage table it's nice and warm. I like my massages with a lot of pressure and that's exactly what Chanel did, from beginning to end. She cracked my back in ways I couldn't imagine and it felt SO GOOD. I will definitely come back again next time I'm in Vegas!
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This is such an unusual place. Not sure how they got all these fabulous reviews. The first time I decided to try it, I called and made an appointment. The woman who answered the phone didn't really speak english, so when I told her that I wanted to make an appointment she kept saying "ok ok ok". I felt that she didn't understand. I showed up to the appointment the following day and the person at the front was so confused when I told her I had an appointment. Needless to say she begrudgingly took me back to a room and left. Another woman comes in and starts massaging. As she is massaging I notice loud chewing sounds. Turns out she was chewing gum loudly and popping it too! I had never experienced anything like that during a msaage! The massage itself was ok with deep pressure, and they offered cupping therapy. They never bother to ask you why you are there or what your preferences are. Even when I kept asking her to focus on my neck and shoulders she just tried to follow her own routine and seemed annoyed. I decided to give it another try, so called again to make an appointment, and sure enough a woman answered and seemed confused when I requested the appointment. I asked if summer was there since I read great reviews about her. The woman started yelling at me!!! Honestly this place is so shady and unprofessional, I don't know how hell they got all these supposed stellar reviews on multipe sites like tripadvisor and thumbtack. For 70$ you can find so many other wonderful, professional and attentive massage places in the area.
This is the real deal. Yes, the exterior (outside plaza) might make you think otherwise but trust me, the place is legit. Inside the room was clean; I liked how they had all white sheets and towels. Some massage places have darker sheets/towels which kind of grosses me out. Anyways, I went here based on my fellow yelpers' reviews and I was not disappointed. I've been having lower back pains, stiff neck and knotted shoulders (because I'm a stylist)....and let me tell ya, right after I was done with the 1.5 hour long massage, I felt like I was on a cloud. My back pain was gone and the lady loosened up all my knots. This is a Thai massage so just a little reminder that most of your massage is going to be done by feet, stepping on your back, etc.
And in fact at first glance from outside you would not think this was a good place in fact I used to live walking distance from there and hadn't been for years finally a friend told me about them so I gave them a try first off with Crystal she is a very good massage unfortunately she no longer works at this location so then I went to you having massages with Sonya very strong which is what I used to like now days April is my therapist she does just the right pressure for me.
This is heaven for your body. As soon as you walk in the place, the very smell, not overpowering or disturbing, but permeating everything with that sort of unnameable olfactory root of peace and energy, will guide to bliss. The service here is exemplary - I even booked an appointment for my mother - who is .. at best .. demanding and has special physical needs. The staff were amazing with her - she even enjoyed the experience and emerged, with their solicitous assistance, as zenned out as I've ever seen her. The massages ... otherworldly - great if you're athletic or prone to wildly intense workouts, some of the stretches and manipulations that they perform are nothing short of magical. The prices are completely reasonable.

Patrick Ingrassia, L.M.T., is the founder of the Nayada Institute of Massage and inventor of the Nayada Method and the BodySaver Bench. He has been teaching massage in the U.S., Canada, Costa Rica and Mexico for more than 20 years. Ingrassia developed the BodySaver Method of massage to address issues with injury and burnout that stop massage therapists from reaching their potential. He is a New York state-licensed massage therapist, Thai massage therapist and intructor, Kripalu-certified bodyworker, certified personal trainer and yoga teacher.

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First time at this spa for me, after reading reviews I realized that language might be a problem. I went in to get a deep tissue massage and had problems with arthritis in my shoulder, summer worked extra on my shoulder and the massage was wonderful I read cupping was included in the massage and it was not , but that would have taken time from my massage so no problem.  Not what I consider a spa but a great massage, very authentic Chinese massage
An integral part of traditional Thai medicine is the use of herbs during a Thai Massage. Thai people apply this belief and benefit Thai herbal treatments as tools for relaxation and disease prevention. Our Traditional Thai Herb Ball contains a blend of many Thai herbs, whose essential oils are transferred to the skin when applied to the body with heat and pressure, thus reducing muscular tension and increasing blood circulation, as well as, improving skin appearance.

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This is possibly the best massage I have had. They are very welcoming and addressed all of my sore and tight muscles. It was extremely relaxing. It is very clean and professional. I will visit here when I'm in the area for sure. They are able to accept appointments to accommodate your schedule. They have a parking lot and it's very close to Woodfield mall.
At Siam Thai Massage, traditional techniques provide sore patients with full-body relief. During massages, therapists gradually shift clients between yoga-like positions and apply gentle, rhythmic pressure and slow stretches to help soothe stiffness and improve flexibility. Thai reflexology treatments focus on the feet to stimulate other parts of the body, and deep-tissue massages work out tough, painful knots.

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At Siam Thai Massage, traditional techniques provide sore patients with full-body relief. During massages, therapists gradually shift clients between yoga-like positions and apply gentle, rhythmic pressure and slow stretches to help soothe stiffness and improve flexibility. Thai reflexology treatments focus on the feet to stimulate other parts of the body, and deep-tissue massages work out tough, painful knots.
Mantra Wellness Centre has a broad range of massage therapy services designed to heal the mind, body, and spirit. From intense therapeutic massage therapy to relaxing raindrop massage, our staff will provide a relaxing massage experience that will leave you feeling balanced and restored. Choose from our many massage therapy services. If you’re not certain what sort of massage is best for your needs, speak to a Mantra Wellness Centre staff member.
My husband and I come here frequently. He has sciatic, psoas pain and I have all sorts of pain (tmj, neck, back, metatarsalgia, de quervain, etc lol). He discovered this thru yelp, after trying out numerous massage services in the bay area & weve almost given up. We never considered going to a Chiro either. Thai massage is hard massage, we just couldn't get anywhere else. We tried many other massage places but we always come back here. Unlike other massage places, any staff you get here will give you the same effect, and no one is not good enough or no single staff stands out cause any of them does. There's no one massager that you need to wait for to get an appointment. We call to schedule an appt but we never request for anyone and still get the same results. Their massage is like assisted yoga, take a pause here and imagine that...I mean, dont drink anything with milk or whipped cream, if youre even slightly lactose intolerant...before the sesh...if u get what i mean. Their restroom is nice too. The trick is to not resist but to trust, give in and relax your body while they're doing their thing. We call this our "therapy". We do feel like newborns every after session, ready to go back to our desk jobs, fresh. Sometimes, after the massage, we eat at the next door Vietnamese restaurant. It feels like a mini quick vacation. 

Reflexology also known as "zone therapy", is an alternative medicine involving application of pressure to the feet and hands with specific thumb, finger, and hand techniques without the use of oil or lotion. It is based on a pseudoscientific[57] system of zones and reflex areas that purportedly reflect an image of the body on the feet and hands, with the premise that such work effects a physical change to the body.[58]
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Thai massage, long considered a medical treatment in Thailand, the therapist puts you through a series of stretches that cover the entire body. (That’s why it’s often called lazy man’s yoga.) You lie on a floor mat or on a table wide enough to accommodate the therapist, and you wear loose-fitting clothing (often supplied by the spa), because there’s no way a sheet can stay put during these moves—the therapist might kneel on the back of your legs and pull your arms to arch your back and open your chest, or place her shoulder under your heel to lift your leg and stretch your hamstring. Thai massage also includes deep-pressure point work to stimulate the sen, or the body’s energy pathways.
The difference between the two exercises is that during a massage, it's the responsibility of the massage therapist to carry out the work, while the individual on the receiving end reaps the benefits. Increased flexibility, oxygenation of the blood, postural alignment, and elongated muscles are all prospective enhancements resulting from a session of Thai massage. Fluidly, one's body is positioned by another in a series of poses aiming to promote health and relaxation. Yoga requires poses to be achieved through the efforts of a single person, and the notion of contorting oneself while concurrently meditating is no simple task. Thai massage is, in fact, yoga for those of us who are inherently unmotivated. 

Our first Thai Massage and it was wonderful. I booked the 90 minute Royal Couples Massage package and thanks to some protest in the City, we were 5 minutes late. So because of that, we had to cut our massage time early but the lady in the front was nice enough to discount us for the inconvenience. We got to use the steam room afterwards too, which was very clean and spacious for showering/getting ready after. The masseuses were both ladies but we didn't catch their names. They were very professional and damn, do they know how to get those knots out! If I worked or lived out in SF, I'd be here more often, especially for that Office Syndrome Massage I saw listed.
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Experience authentic Thai massage and herbal treatments at Siam Thai Massage and Herbal Spa, conveniently located downtown in the City of Hamilton. Whether you’re looking to soothe sore muscles after a day of actively exploring Bermuda or you just want to relax and get pampered in a serene atmosphere, you'll find the perfect treatment on the spa menu, which includes massage, facials, aromatherapy and more.
Whether it is for a full day of pampering or just a quick visit for a pick-me up, Thai Massage and Day Spas is the place to go for rest, relaxation and enjoyment. Our locations are in the Galleria area and we offer many services, including custom facials, spa manicure and pedicure, body treatments and our authentic Thai Massages, you will truly feel you’re in Thailand.
Mantra Wellness Centre has a broad range of massage therapy services designed to heal the mind, body, and spirit. From intense therapeutic massage therapy to relaxing raindrop massage, our staff will provide a relaxing massage experience that will leave you feeling balanced and restored. Choose from our many massage therapy services. If you’re not certain what sort of massage is best for your needs, speak to a Mantra Wellness Centre staff member.

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Friendly ladies! My first time Thai massage ever (although I've had plenty of Swedish and deep tissue massages in the states). After walking miles and miles a day exploring and long flight here, my body was aching and this is exactly what I needed. I booked a 90 minute Thai massage and the cost was 9000 Yen (she gave me a 10% discount though) I messaged through yelp and confirm my reservation easily.
We were greeted by the owner, Tanya, and offered water as soon as we entered and waited for our room. She kept us company and led us to our room with two massage beds and another grand view. We were instructed on how to prepare as we waited a little longer for our masseuses to arrive. Being the awkward first timers we were, we actually didn't know what to actually do and expect. But our masseuses, Mary and Claudia, were very patient with us!
Hi, I went for a Hot Stone Massage on Sunday, 24/07/2016. When the lady had placed the stones on my ...back, I had told her that it was too hot. She then shifted the stones a little bit to the left and didn't do anything else. As it was my first time having done a Hot Stone Massage, I was not sure of how hot the stones were meant to be. During the massage, I felt some pain but didn't think too much of it. When I got home, I noticed that I had a second degree burn on my back from where a stone was placed. I had to seek medical assistance due to the burn. I'm so disappointed that the lady whom had massaged me did not point this out to me when she was massaging me. She did not make it a point to tell me that I had been burnt nor did she say anything to me when I was leaving. Surely the lady whom had massaged me would know how hot these stones should be when using them in a massage. I hope that in the future, all staff are adequately trained for the services that they are providing. I have sent you a message in regards to this issue but have yet to receive a response. I look forward to hearing from you in regards to this matter. I have posted a photo of the burn wound on your Facebook page, as I am unable to post photos in reviews. See More
I've been here 3 times, as a former professional massage therapist, I have to say that these people do things far beyond what I was capable of and it's AMAZING! I've recommended it to all of my friends. My massage therapist PAULA have amazing skill and technique and are perfect for anyone like me who's worried about a lack of pressure. Nelly is wonderful if you just want a nice relaxing massage after a hard day. My preference is for PAULA who work very deep into tissue and do a lot of full body stretches (it's Thai massage after all!) This is better than anything you'd get at MassageEnvy. Spas around the Houston area which provide quality Thai Massage are incredibly rare.
A Thai massage is an ancient form of healing that combines the concepts of yoga and energetic Chinese practices. About 2,500 years ago, Buddhism spread from India to Thailand. Along with this increasingly popular spiritual practice came a form of healing that had taken root in the community of Buddhists. When these new ideas reached the shores of Thailand, they mixed with the Chinese concept of the energetic body that was already being practiced.
Study foot massage method that integrate the knowledge of Chinese reflexology points with the most relaxing Wat Po massage techniques. Thai massage practically starts at the sole of the lift foot to stimulate the wind element and to balance all of four elements in human body (earth, water, wind and fire). Moreover, pressing and massaging through reflexology points are benefited to regain and improve activities of internal organs. Practical session only
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Mary was great. She gives awesome pressure and is very knowledgeable. I like a lot of pressure and she exceeded my expectations. Also had yunee(don't know the spelling but pronounced U-NEE). She was also great, especially if you like a more soothing touch. Almost Swedish but with good pressure. My fiancé had katie and he loved his massage with her. He said she was able to pop almost every joint in his body and felt so much relief after. Highly recommend requesting any of these 3 ladies. Thanks for the amazing massages!!!

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I went for a hot stone massage, she rubbed hot stones on my back at one point briefly but they weren...’t laid on my back like a usual hot stone massage. The massage didn’t flow and I question whether she was trained professionally. I felt the massage was rushed at the end. I also question why I wasn’t asked to fill out any paperwork or if I had any injuries or conditions. I won’t be coming back. See More 

I'd been in Tokyo, Japan for four days and have done extensive walking. I had been feeling pain to my feet and hip. I finally decided to Yelp a place and saw good reviews. I made my appointment through Yelp. Make sure you give them the day, time, name and type of service on your first communication. It's helpful...I finally came here and felt so much more flexible and the pain on my hip is gone. My feet may require rest to not feel anything but certainly feel so much better. The staff is wonderful and are very careful with the stretches they do. I highly recommend to make the trip here. Is worth it!
My boyfriend booked our first full body Thai couples massage (literally our FIRST massage experience) here at Siam Thai. We've heard about many massage places but decided to have it here due to the various options and two different atmospheres (modern and vintage) at the Century Center. There's a private lot to park at. The fee (no matter how long we park) is $2 flat! Just don't forget to get it validated prior to leaving. He made a night reservation at their "modern" location for my birthday. We walked into the room and was greeted with a lovely scent, great night view of Waikiki, and a beautiful heart design to take pictures of/with. After entering, don't forget to take your shoes off! We were greeted by the owner, Tanya, and offered water as soon as we entered and waited for our room. She kept us company and led us to our room with two massage beds and another grand view. We were instructed on how to prepare as we waited a little longer for our masseuses to arrive. Being the awkward first timers we were, we actually didn't know what to actually do and expect. But our masseuses, Mary and Claudia, were very patient with us! Mary, my masseuse, began on my upper back and worked her way down to my legs and then arms (my favorite part). And surprisingly, I had a lot of knots, especially on my upper back. There were these two knots that would not budge unless I got the really deeeeep massage (but my body's too weak). Mary tried her best to press out my knots without hurting me (thumbs up to her!). She put coconut oil over my body as she worked, making it easier for area transitions. The oil felt more like a lotion combination, smoothing and rejuvenating my skin. In the end, we were offered water or tea. Siam Thai definitely takes pride in caring for their customers! My boyfriend and I really enjoyed our time at Siam Thai and will definitely be back for more massages. Especially trying to press those knots out of my upper back! The interior was beautifully done, service was superb, and the massage was excellent. Next time, we'll try out their other services! 

The hot herbal compress contains numerous herbs lightly bound in fabric which is steamed until warm and firmly rolled. After a full body Thai massage, the hot herbal compress is pressed over the entire body in order to soothe muscle and stimulate the vital organs and senses. Thai herbal massage has many beneficial such as relief muscular aches, pains and tension. It also helps improve and stimulate the lymphatic system and increases blood flow and circulation. The contents of the hot herbal compress are prescribed according to the condition being treated, with some of the most commonly used herbs such as Zedoary (Khamin), Tumeric (Khamin Chan) , Lemongrass (Takhrai), Kaffir lime (Makrut), Camphor tree (Naat), Tamarind (Makham), Plai (Zingiber Cassumar).
AD 1776: Jean Joseph Marie Amiot, and Pierre-Martial Cibot, French missionaries in China translate summaries of Huangdi Neijing, including a list of medical plants, exercises and elaborate massage techniques, into the French language, thereby introducing Europe to the highly developed Chinese system of medicine, medical-gymnastics, and medical-massage.[8]
Another amazing experience at my hands down favorite place. Drove an hour to get here and it was EVERYTHING I expected. Booked 90 minutes and enjoyed every second. I got walked on, cupped, every kink in my body was worked on and it was amazing. Word of advice, if you want something - ASK FOR IT. Yes, people don't speak English perfectly. Yes, people have different cultural quirks that may seem rude to us. However, I have learned to walk in and literally say exactly what I want. I walked in and told Summer: I want you to walk on me, use your knees, feet, etc. I want cupping, and I want you to not hold back at all. My headache, back tension, knots, and all my stress...GONE! I went home and slept like a baby. 100% satisfaction and an amazing , fantastic place!
Drawing from Thai history, cultural studies, Buddhist religion, and yogic practices, as well as a modern understanding of anatomy and physiology, this guidebook bridges the gap between theory and practice while presenting bodywork as it is understood in Thailand--as a therapeutic medical science. Presenting detailed analysis of each step in a Thai massage routine, the history, spiritual traditions, and ethical codes are offered in an engaging, informal style. Numerous photographs and diagrams illustrate the variety of techniques used, and examples of routines for treating specific disorders are discussed. Updated with new layout, photos, and expanded text, this exhaustive handbook is complete with a section on the main energy meridians and diagrams of acupressure points, making it the perfect tool to accompany anyone studying this popular healing modality.

A "vacation" in Tokyo certainly requires a lot of walking. After logging 10+ miles a few days in a row, our bodies were in need of a little R&R. There are certainly a lot of options for massages in Japan, but Erawan definitely appeals to tourists. It was SO easy to request an appointment via Yelp. They got back to me within a hour and we had appointments setup later that day.
The second reason it is not that commonly found is that it requires special training. Many American massage therapists are serious students who have traveled to Asia for intensive programs, but others might have to take a weekend workshop. You might want to inquire about their training before you sign up. If you live in a major city, you might be able to get a high quality, no-frills Thai massage for a reasonable price. 
In response to the business owner, I mentioned this on my call to her but there was no other strenuous or unusual movement of my neck during this period. I've also had to visit a chiropractor three times since coming back to the US due to the extreme pain, and he also affirmed that bad technique during the massage must be the reason (based on my alignment). Very poor experience, and I really wish Erawan would rethink their refund policy for situations like these, as this has become a very expensive massage due to the additional chiropractor expenses accrued.
Danni was outstanding. She is extremely knowledgeable in Thai Massage. She was friendly and makes you feel very comfortable when you're getting your massage. Due to my back problems and having played sports all my life, I have to get a massage once a week. When I walk in the place, I pretty much hurt all over. After one hour with Danni,I walk out feeling like I am 25 again with no pain. I don't know how she does it. It is nice to have someone very experience and knowledgeable. Great job

I didn't have the best Thai massage of my life, but their couples massage for one hour is not a bad deal for $120. That's still a bit less than some other places like the Luxury Thai Spa. I actually thought the bed inside the room was nice. However, when you initially walk in, it doesn't give off the nicest impression. I'm not too picky as long as the sheets look clean and changed. The massage itself was a 3/5 for me. I got my back stepped on, but the lady who gave me the massage wasn't too accurate. I definitely think it's worth trying out several other masseuses, so I will hope for better next time around.


Possibilities tickets:  Ticket to take at Thai Airways                                                            – Departure Brussels Saturday 02 February at 1:10 pm – arrival at 6:10 in Bangkok. Many connections to Chiang Mai + 1 hour flight                                              -Return Bangkok Sunday 17 February at 0.30 – arrival in Brussels on Sunday 17 February at 07.00.

In South Africa, massage is regulated, but enforcement is poor. The minimum legal requirement to be able to practice as a professional massage therapist is a 2-year diploma in Therapeutic Massage and registration with The Allied Health Professions Council of SA (AHPCSA). The 2 year qualification includes 240 credits, about 80 case studies, and about 100 hours community service.
In regulated provinces massage therapists are known as Registered Massage Therapists, in Canada only four provinces regulate massage therapy:[95] British Columbia, Ontario, Newfoundland and Labrador, and New Brunswick.[96] Regulated provinces have, since 2012, established inter-jurisdiction competency standards.[97][95] Quebec is not provincially regulated. Massage therapists may obtain a certification with one of various associations operating. There is the Professional Association of Specialized Massage Therapists of Quebec, also named Mon Réseau Plus, which represents 6,300 massage therapists (including orthotherapists, naturotherapists and others), the Quebec Federation of massage therapists (FMQ), and the Association québécoise des thérapeutes naturels; however, none of these are regulated by provincial law. 

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I was excited to see Thai Massage has made it to PCB. I was also excited to discover what a gem this place is. After inquiring of my problem areas, Serie suggested I select Thai / Deep Tissue combo. Without a doubt, it was one of the most professional, healing massages I have experienced. Serie is most gracious and knowledgeable and obviously loves her profession. If you are looking for a healing, therapeutic and relaxing massage, you MUST call Serie. As a finishing touch, she will serve you a most delicious, personally steeped cup of lemongrass tea to compliment the massage. Oh, and those wonderful warm towels!!! Don't pass this place up!! Your mind and body will thank you!

I was pretty excited to visit Erawan based on the great reviews it received.  However, the masseuse… I was pretty excited to visit Erawan based on the great reviews it received.  However, the masseuse twisted my neck too hard (or in a wrong way?) during one of the Thai massage stretches.  I woke up the next day with a ton of neck soreness, but I tried to shrug it off as normal post-massage soreness.  But ever since the day after until now (5 days later), the pain has been excruciating and I've barely been able to move my neck.  To make matters worse, I was here in Japan for my honeymoon so it made it really hard for me to enjoy the week.  Visitors beware! Read more


In May 2015, there were reports of a death case of a patient who had undergone Thai traditional massage.[3] The patient is reported to be a 37 year old Thai female who underwent Thai traditional massage and subsequently developed acute heart attack. The same was confirmed by the final autopsy report which indicated the cause of death to be myocardial infarction. The publicity led to a debate as to whether the death was due to Thai traditional massage. The Director General of the Department of Thai Traditional and Complementary Medicine (DTAM) stated that this was only a coincidence.

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